Sarah: And it really comes down to just self-ownership and owning all the parts of myself and letting that be expressed through my piercings.
Jessica: Yeah, it probably cemented your own self-worth. I am worth feeling myself more than this earth job.
Sarah: Yeah, and it's funny because it goes in both directions. It was also when I got really involved in the yoga community and doing yoga and mindfulness trainings. There's also a perception in that community believe it or not of what you should look like, if you're a spiritual person, I'm sure you're familiar with that and it's not that anybody's imposing that. It's just that the majority of people, you know, people tend to homogenize a little bit in whatever roles they're in and so there was a little bit of that kind of in the back of my mind with that, too, of like, Oh, maybe I shouldn't be coloring my hair.
Jessica: [inaudible 14:30] like -
Sarah: Yeah, and owning the parts of ourselves that are sticky like that is a really good exercise for everyone because it touches on your not-enoughness like, I'm not going to fit in if I don't do these things and it's not even necessarily that it's a conscious thing. It's just something that we all do in order to be accepted and to move through life on inhibited.
Jessica: Yeah, and I think that challenging those ideas, I'm not good enough or I won't be accepted if I've done this to my body, when you do it and you realize that you are accepted by the people that truly matter, it's a very home feeling like it's like nothing else like these are my people, this is my place. Pardon me?
Sarah: People who matter are not going to be bothered by it, you know?
Jessica: Yeah, I mean, I got my eyebrows pierced, my mom didn't notice for like a month.
Sarah: I came home with my septum ring and my husband didn't notice right away. He was like, "What's different?" I'm like, "Really?"
Jessica: I've done that before. I'm like, so any new piercings and he's like, ahh!
Sarah: Well it's funny goes to show people don't actually pay attention to our appearance as much as we think that they do. I started wearing because I love having a short hair, but for different looks, I wear wigs when I go out and I love to wear wigs and have a different...there's a whole persona that goes with an outfit and I love doing that. It's kind of just like taking getting ready to the next level and everything we do when we---if you're going out and if you're the person who puts on makeup and styles. Your hair does an outfit, that's a costume to a point.
Sarah: But kind of a next leveling with that, but it's funny to me how few people really notice. Like someone will have seen me the day before with this hair and then I'll have a long Bob that's blonde and super, like oh your hair looks really good today. I'm like really? I have like one side of my head shaved in my hair.
Jessica: And groom like 10 inches overnight.
Sarah: It's been kind of amazing to me that even the most observant people in my life, they just don't...people don't take stock of our appearance quite annoying me, they think that they do and that's been an interesting thing for me to realize, too.
Jessica: It's so true. Yeah. It's fine. I've talked a lot about the idea of that, when you meet your people, you definitely have this kind of more of a soul connection and an eyeball connection, it's not really seeing like, Oh, I see this about you. It's like I see you for you and then everything else is just dressing.
Sarah: Absolutely. I have a funny situation with that, where I tend to think that people with larger personalities are taller than they actually are. I have a couple of friends who are just under five foot and when I learned that I was like, no, you're not and then looking, I'm like, Oh, yes, you are, but your personality makes you appear larger to me and it's-
Sarah: Yeah, it's because of that soul connection, it's more of an energetic bond than it is, visual or auditory thing.
Jessica: Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, I do this thing where if I just assumed people who are taller than me are older than me. So that's a little bit of the reverse like, we'll have like a 15-year-old kid comes into the studio and I'm thinking he's probably like 30 because he's so much taller. I'm like, yes, sir like-
Sarah: You're like, wait this kid's 15. What?
Jessica: You're 15, I'm in charge. What was your first body modification?
Sarah talks about her first body modication
Sarah: Oh, let's see. My belly button which I pierced myself when I was 14.