Jasper: Okay, that comes from Murphy's Law, which is whatever can go wrong will go wrong and in the army, that is every day, so when it happens and it happens every day, you take a second, you think, you improvise, and you make it happen and that has helped me even in piercing, that attitude that I gained from the military, that helped me in everyday life. It's helped me in work, that's one thing that I will never forget that the army gave to me, it kind of changed my attitude a little bit. There's a time when things go wrong, forget it. Done. Quit. I don't do that no more, and I was an engineer in the army and our motto was "Make it happen" "Let me try" was another one "To Do All Things Well" that was another one of our mottos. Just make it happen, when something goes wrong, fix it.
Jasper: And there's a million ways to fix anything that's broke. Does that make sense?
Jessica: Yeah. I think that from running the shop here, it's definitely been, my mentality like, Okay, well, that didn't work. What's next?
Jasper: Exactly. What's next? You can always figure something out, there's really no wrong way to do things, just like, okay, let's take piercing for an example on that. I don't pierce like everybody else does. I pierce like Jasper does.
Jasper: I was taught by somebody who learned in the early '90s when it was brand new, and it was completely different then and I still use some of that stuff. I use a lot of the new stuff that I've learned from all the different places that worked, all the different piecers I work with, so just take that for example. There's no wrong way to do it as long as the outcome you know what I'm saying?
Jasper: There's a million ways to get to where you want to go, just make it happen.
Jasper: That's my outlook.
Jessica: That's been one thing that I've learned talking to so many piercers over these Zoom interviews is there really is so many different approaches to things because I've asked all them like, okay, so what's your favorite part of the procedure? Where'd you learn? How long have you been doing it and it's really interesting, and just to see how much has changed over the years, I was talking to Annie weeks ago, and she's been piercing about as long as you and so I asked her, how is the world changed since you started piercing? And she's like, well, it's changed a lot. First off [inaudible 22:08] big chunky jewelry and now, it's [inaudible 22:12].
Jasper explains how piercing has changed since he started piercing in 2001
Jasper: Yeah, I mean, 15 years ago, dude, we'd never been piercing these little things, man. Never. Never and there's also a lot of techniques that we used back in the day, that would not fly at all.
Jasper: You just can't, they weren't clean. We thought they were at that time but they weren't, and that right there just makes them unsafe. It's not clean. It's not safe.
Jasper: But we learned, we move, we improvise with that.
Jessica: What I thought was interesting is that she talked about the culture of piercers has changed too. She said that she started piercing like, I think it was 20 years ago.
Jessica: I think it was actually around 1995 when I was born.
Jasper: You were born in '95?
Jessica: I was born in '95.
Jasper: I graduated high school in '95. Thanks for bringing that up, Jessica. Now I feel old. Great!
Jessica: She was telling me that when she started, it was a lot of street fights. She's like, piercers would just fight.
Jasper: Oh, man, you seeing people coming into a tattoo shop now with attitudes.
Jasper: And they're just asked to leave.
Jasper: Back in the day, you came in and you start it, you're getting beat up by everybody and you're getting drugged out. I've seen that happen many times. I can remember a guy threatened me once because he didn't like how I was hurting his girlfriend when she was getting pierced and I was working in old school shop and this was three years ago, two years ago in Georgia, and I remember looking at that kid, it's first time, he'd been in tattoo shop aren't you and he said, yeah, what's that mean? The tattoo was hurting and here they come. Who are you talking to, dude?
Jessica: The tattooers.
Jasper: One of my buddies was there. George, he's like, dude, there's you and your pal over there, dude. There's six of us and you're making----that was the end of that conversation. He shut up. but luckily, it didn't go so far and the kid was like, 19 years old. He was both full of bravado and testosterone.
Jessica: It's crazy.
Jasper: It happens, man. My mentor told me how competitive he used to be back in the day he said, he's had bricks, Molotov cocktails from the windows the shop he's worked at and from shop competitor. Shops burnt down, he said it was holding all of it, like the late '80s, early '90s, he was telling me it was like that. It was horrible.
Jasper: It was like gang warfare back in the day.
Jessica: Well, and that's she started piercing around that time so when she got out of it, they asked her to come back she's like, no, I'm a mom now like, I can't [inaudible 25:33].
Jasper: But it's so different now.
Jasper: Which is a good thing.
Jasper: I think.
Jessica: I mean, being in it now, almost 20 years later from when you started.
Jasper: Things happen though sometimes where old school can come out like when that guy was talking to Miss Gigi.
Jessica: Yeah. Which is unappropriate time for that to come out.
Jasper: Right, and I would have got old school had I been there. Trust me.
Jessica: We have Jasper The Bodyguard.
Jasper: And I'm no tough guy by any means, but I love you guys. Do mess with my girls man, I'm gonna get creative.
Jessica: When Silas, gonna come out of left field.
Jasper: All right, my buddy back me up there, alright?
Jasper: I love it.
Jessica: So I think that you might have an interesting perspective being in so many places and being a veteran and so I was curious, circling back to the army questions. What misconceptions do you think there are about veterans? I mean, I know you don't speak for every veteran, but in your experience, are there any misconceptions that you think just aren't founded on any truth?